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From a Johns Hopkins study on the problem:

Hannah Robbins / Published Oct 27, 2024

Nearly half of the U.S. electorate thinks members of the opposing party aren't just wrong for politics—they're "downright evil", according to new polling data from the SNF Agora Institute at Johns Hopkins University.

Three-quarters of Republicans who still believe former President Donald Trump won the presidential election in 2020 "somewhat agree" or "strongly agree" that Democrats are "downright evil." Only 27% of Republicans who think President Joe Biden won in 2020 agree with the sentiment. Meanwhile, less than half of Democrats consider Republicans evil.

"Vilifying our political opponents is a signal that we consider them to be enemies instead of opponents," said Lilliana Mason, a Johns Hopkins University political science professor who studies political violence and polarization. "The work of governing a democracy requires compromise and mutual respect. These sentiments make that respect nearly impossible, which threatens the health of democracy."

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I recall the question long ago, "why can't we all just get along?" I think human history answers that with periods of strife far outweighing the periods of peace.

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I have to weigh in on the "How did we get here" thing. It's decidedly political, so if that's not where you wanted to take this discussion, feel free to delete. My opinion: The political influences can not be ignored or denied.

One of the best books I've read in the last 3-4 years was written by an ex Republican campaign bigwig, Stuart Stevens. "It Was All A Lie" is two parts a confession and two parts tutorial on the decline of the GOP.

In 1980, a former B list Hollywood star and ex Governor of California kicked off his Presidential campaign in Philadelphia.

Philadelphia, Mississippi, Klan Central, the lynching capital of the United States.

Why there? Reagan didn't necessarily look or sound the part of a racist. He was born in Illinois and spent most of his professional life in California; what we call today the ultimate 'Blue' state. He had no southern drawl, didn't dip Skoal or ride around in an F350 with a shotgun mounted in the back. My opinion is he wasn't a racist. But he knew he had to cater to the racist bloc to win the nomination in that party. So ... Philadelphia, MS it was. And naturally, he spoke of his love for States Rights. True.

Reagan's Presidencies weren't without accomplishment, most notably facing down Russia.

BUT ... his lasting domestic legacy is defined by trickle down economics. To attempt to pay for that he slashed social services; programs that helped the most needy and destitute among us. But it helped out his fat, rich, white, male base. Period. The consequences were enormous and still plague us today - homelessness and booming deficits.

His other "accomplishment"? Killing the Fairness Doctrine in 1987 which resulted in the airwaves being dominated by hateful blowhards like Limbaugh, the forerunner to Fox News, Joe Rogan and other fat white guys spewing dishonest narratives, largely to a base that's dominated by a) straight, white men and women; b) mega wealthy; c) rural America.

Not sure, but I don't think he had a single person of color or a woman in his inner circle. If he did, it was no more than one or two

The influence of right wing media can not be understated. Almost 2 generations of Americans have been 'lost' to Murdoch's right wing empire, primarily Fox News of course. And their narrative hasn't just been hateful and frequently racist and misogynistic; it's also anti intellectual, anti science and anti facts. And now, anti American and pro Russia.

Along the way, we've had Newt Gingrich (who Stevens calls a 'dumb guy's idea of a smart guy') and his Family Values (propagated while he was schtupping his latest paramour), Sarah Palin, MTG and Boebert, and many others, all of whom are creations of the hot take, fact free Fox News machine.

Notice I haven't mentioned a certain resident of the White House? That guy isn't the CAUSE of today's mess, he's the RESULT of decades of absolute dry rot, racism, misogyny and vacuous, sound bite politics. There was always gonna be someone like him. The road was beautifully paved, pothole free and lined with lilies and bougainvillea.

And here we are today. $35T in debt, at war with our allies, an entire party that's fine with dystopian figures like Putin and Musk leading the charge, a disappearing middle class and an emerging American oligarchy.

We are in deep trouble in this country. The media has collapsed, an entire political party has collapsed, the Supreme Court has collapsed. The military is being led by a drunk who just fired the JAGs because "they'll just get in the way". Our intel organizations by a Russian asset. Our Health and Human Services by a former (?) heroin addict who pushes anti vax conspiracies that have killed people. Partial list.

And it will all get worse. We're not even 100 days into this aspiring Reich.

And it all started with Reagan

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